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Reply With QuoteLol, some of those dogs seem Giant, id say the size of an english mastiff.
Even within itself as a registry and even within their kennels they cant produce dogs with type let alone consistency...how do they manage to dupe so many people?
Lol, some of those dogs seem Giant, id say the size of an english mastiff.
lol, I'd say. I got some pictures were they look like basset hound crosses but for some reason it wont let me post on here...very comical and sad at the same time. so this is the problem, one year a mastiff looking fila will win the championship, the next a neo looking one and next a basset hound looking one...IF they are all filas then why dont they have a specific look? it would be perfectly normal for ANYONE looking at those pictures to assume that they are not all of the same breed however there are many breeders that say different. One can believe their eyes or believe the breeder. once they get duped into buying the mutts then they feel some kind of obligation to become blind as well and convince others that their eyes deceive them as well.
Take a look in the mirrorOriginally Posted by Brasileirokid
oh, I get it. you are implying that it is I who is blind...you, your good, well played sir, lol. Seriously now the dogs posted are of actual cbkc "filas"...can you in all honesty say that those dogs are filas? or to make it even easier can you say that those dogs are the same breed? If you say that they are the same breed and the breed is fila then explain how an established breed can have so much inconsistency, I mean let's say the em looking one fit the standard...how, in that case could the bassety one fit the standard as well, I mean one has to be wrong, right? but which one is it?
Of coarse all of those dogs don't represent filas. You just take the far out examples and make people believe those are what most CBKC filas are, which you well know is not true. There are just as many CAFIB inconsistencies. Matter of fact, since you like to be such a shit disturber and tell people how mixed their feral dogs are.... you should have no problem with someone posting some of your pictures of the pure and consistent dogs here right? I mean your not gonna claim copyright infringement like your sidekick will you? I mean this isn't cafibg411 so your not gonna ban me for discrediting the master fila race are you? These are all pictures you yourself posted on the web for all to see anyway.
you really think those are some of the worst examples of filas??? be careful some are from some of the most respected kennels and a couple I heard are actual cbkc champions.
I cant ban you from any forum as I am not a moderator of any forum. on fila 411 there are multiple people who only own CBKC type dogs and are just there to look at dogs and learn about the history (some really old historical stuff gets put out there) which anyone could be interested in CAFIB or not. As far as "threatening" to post pictures that have always been public: http://s228.photobucket.com/home/Brasileirokid/index
Too late beat ya to the punch, lol. These are all the pictures that I have on photobucket and they have always been public...Remember not all the dogs in the account are filas and although some may look like filas that doesnt mean they are, or were approved. Unlike in some other shows our dogs get evaluated before they are even allowed into the show and not all get approved to do so.
There are some cool photos of xrays and stuff from my dogs in there as well I believe and who knows what else.
All I do ask (which would be common courtesy anyway) is that if there are pictures of children in there that they do not get used inappropriately or brought up at all in a negative manner.
Thanks, and as always enjoy.
CAFIB is a standard? right? Aren't many dogs that meet the CAFIB standard actually registered under the CBKC?? the question should be whether the CBKC does in fact allow all of the examples to be within the standard. If that is the case then there is some real issues with how they allow these people to get papers for dogs that appear to clearly have other breeds very apparent to make you wonder what exactly one needs to get CBKC papers??
Does CAFIB issue papers?? Do they require any confirmation of the animals by inspection?? (what are differences in the approval process for the two groups???). Will all CAFIB dogs meet CBKC standard? (I know that the opposite is not true).
FJ, very good questions...YES, CAFIB is registry with its own standard. A person can register a tic tac with CBKC and get papers for any breed. It used to be that all good Fila would fit under both standards with the exemption of course being the obviously mixed bred dogs. The cbkc standard has since changed and CAFIB filas dont really fall into that standard anymore as the judge can now fault the dog if he/she shows too much aggression towards them and a few other tid bits. This change was done to accommodate what the big breeders were breeding at that time instead of them having to breed dogs that fit the standard the standard changed to fit their dogs.
CAFIB filas frequently get pedigrees from FCI registries (CBKC/FCPR, etc.) because they are pretty much the only registry that you can get a pedigree with, lol.
Now, we have been begging for CAFIB to issue out some kind of pedigree for dogs that pass an evaluation (all dogs must pass a CAFIB evaluation in order to be approved) but so far it has been a no go. They do issue pedigrees for adult dogs that have been bred 3 times with 3 different dogs and whose puppies from each litter have been approved...I dont breed a bitch 3 Xs so I will never have a CAFIB pedigreed bitch. I am trying to figure out if there is a way for pups whose parents have been approved to get initial pedigrees from CAFIB but getting answers is like pulling teeth. All this is done for layered protection...let's say a dog gets approved by CAFIB as the judge did not find any disqualifying faults on her. she gets a pedigree and breeds but in every litter even when bred to multiple males there are pups that show signs of mixed breeding and the males that were used have never thrown pups with those traits being used w/ diff females...one has to assume that the female is carrying genes of other breeds, right? this would look very bad for cafib as that dog now has a cafib official pedigree so that is why they do the whole 3 litters thing with 3 diff. males. Now, they are working on some DNA sequencing thing that when complete would be able to distinguish a Pure Fila from a mixed bred one...if this works out then CAFIB should be able to issue initial pedigrees out without fear that they inc mixed bred blood into their stock.
As for CBKC...get any dog from the pound, slap a microchip on it and send out for papers...once the papers come in go to any show and claim your world championship... just kidding ofcourse. No there is no evaluation you just apply to get your dog into a show, bring a copy of the standard to give to the judge (many have never seen a fila nor do they know the standard even if they are FCI judges) and enjoy the day.
Guys im no expert, but Juan didnt put up the worst pictures, rather those pictures are often used to show CBKC quality. if you search for Filas, you often get that pic. most CBKC sites will have that picture up trying to show their great quality, which to me seems rather poor. Where i am going to move there is alot of space, i am going to buy a few cows, and i expect my fila to be able to work the cattle, those dogs in those pics wouldnt be able to run over 5 miles without having to stop and lose their focus. When i look at a fila i dont just look at the appearences, but also the temper and capabilities. Filas were made to protect cattle, to do that they need to keep up with them and if a fila cant handle what he was made to do, then to me, that dog isnt a fila
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