hello everyone. want to buy a black fila male pup. need help

[aceoutdoor]

. I am not saying this to add insult to injury but it should be said....I have personally helped 6 people get a CAFIB fila after them owning CBKC dogs. They were fed the same stuff that you are saying here from a breeder in CA and they ended up with fear biters and otherwise big labradors and now wanted to take their chance with a CAFIB fila.....they now have what they always read the fila should be.

If you are talking about Luis then I understand why you say they were a ball of nerves. I think most of the large filas you have seen behave like that is due to mistreatment as a young puppy before the purchasers took possession. Luis is a POS and everybody but people new to filas knows that. People who for no reason beat animals and let them get deathly sick and then ship them to a new home should be culled, not the poor dogs. A good CBKC dog will charge like a bull and and hold his or her ground at any cost.

[deidei]

Hi Everyone,

I'd like to know where I can get a quality Fila puppy? Thanks in advance for your help.

[Brasileirokid]

Ace, Im happy you feel the same way about the SOB! he has ruined the breed for so many people in the U.S that it is insane....selling puppies half dead from parvo, riddled with fleas/mange and obvious nervous system issues. BTW there are dogs that are not mistreated that have bad nervous systems and will be fear biters. they are easily spotted when young, they are very sensitive when touched and their skin will crawl as if your touch hurts them and they will shy away, they shiver when it is not cold, loud noises spook them very easily, a pup like this should not be sold but put down. Some people use the work cull as if it is evil...Culling is one of the most important tools in a breeder's bag, if they use it properly they can cultivate a beautiful animal an ensure the bloodline stay pure and w/ as few genetic flaws as possible.
You are correct a correct good cbkc dog would charge like a bull and I am happy that you got on the point is that cbkc as a whole is moving away from that which makes the fila special. they want a dog that is more mainstream and they have been doing it for years in fact you can go to most fci shows and put hands on which ever dog you like. Once they get recognized by the AKC you can imagine that the temp will be gone forever and the only place to find true temperament is to go to the only club that preserved it and then noone will call CAFIB: elitists, crazy, stubborn or unwavering. Ace you know that is coming and you know that cbkc is leading it...if you like the proper temp of the breed why would you stand with an organization that plans to destroy it? what the cbkc people say is that the fila adapts to its environment, ojeriza and such protective qualities are not needed in today's world so the fila must adapt yet again to live in such world.... To me that is a load of BS Responsible people can preserve the breed that was w/o turning it into an over sized Labrador.

[Brasileirokid]

deidei, get in touch with me to see if the fila is right for you and if it is I can recommend breeders to you that can match what suits you best.

Juan
juanh76@hotmail.com

[Designerkennels]

Some ppl here myself including would not recommend a Black Fila as a good choice but others would. I do think you need to educate yourself further about the breed before purchasing a Fila , It wouldn't hurt this could be a lifetime commitment of 10+yrs. Color is a last choice ppl should be concerned about when getting a dog. If you looking for looks which I assume maybe some other dog breeds with less of a hard temperament would be more beneficial to you. I also don't agree on jumping down ppl throats when they have limited knowledge on a said breed, only way to help ppl is by being polite and education. "You get more flies with honey then vinegar".

[Paul]

I am currently involved with a breed called boerboel. We have the same problem with the solid black dogs in that breed. A close friend of mine wrote a short piece on the black color in boerboels and I think it is relevant here as well. This comes from Jenny Wells, a person with many years of experience in breeding, showing large working dogs.

"the Mendelian Laws of genetics which explain the Dominant/Recessive transmission of individual colour genes. In very laymans terms, if a dog doesn't possess a gene for a certain colour, it cannot reproduce it, in exactly the same way as if a dog doesn't have a gene for a hereditary disease, it cannot pass it on. You can't reproduce something you don't possess as there is no copy of that gene to transmit to the offspring. The Black gene in our breed is termed dominant, genetically meaning it only needs one copy from one parent to express itself. So if a dog has it, it is a black dog and if it isn't a black dog it doesn't and therefore CANNOT PASS IT ON. The Black(B) gene is never hidden or masked by another colour, if it's there you can see it. It doesn't hide from generation to generation or lurk around in the background waiting for another gene to match up with. There is a very very rare exception when the two types of genetic yellow (Ay+ee) meet but the black dog produced wouldn't pass on the black (B) gene and therefore it's offspring couldn't be black unless it was bred to a black (B) dog. A genetically Brown dog has a brown (liver) nose, paw pads, lips and eye rims. Genetic Brown (b) and genetic black (B) are two different genes and not the effect of a diluting gene. Darkening or lightening of yellow i.e fawn, light red and dark red are caused by sets of polygenes which in addition to colour genes produce shades of that colour and determine density of colour, these are termed "Umbrous" and "Rufus" genes. Colour genetics are complex but follow basic rules"

This was written by a British girl so they do spell color...colour. HE HE HE I just feel that if people can understand the black color genetics maybe they can realize how difficult it would be to produce so many black dogs all of the sudden. All the of the sudden = cross breeding. If that is the case then BE HONEST and say what the cross is so people can have a better understanding of what they are getting. In the BB breed we had a founding stock of dogs. Zero of those dogs where black. Now we have black boerboels all over the place so it HAS TO BE A CROSS period. I am not knocking black dogs just saying scientifically they don't just appear in a breed unless you start with them. I am sure there are some nice black dogs out there but they are mixed.

[Brasileirokid]

Paul, perfectly stated. The sam ehappened to our breed (Fila Brasileiro) in the 70s when all of a sudden black filas started to get registered springing up all over the place, before that? none. The mix breeders claim that the gene had some how been dormant for X amount of years and that it eluded every breeder of filas since its inception when it was crossed with the extremely rare black huberts hound...no matter how easy the info is to find and how widely known it is to be a fact the mix breeders use the lame "dormant huberts hound gene" as an excuse...I say the same as you...dont make excuses, man up and say..."I did it because X, Y and Z"

[bigd1622]

That's definetly true, Im going to search for a site that i saw a few months ago, not only did he try to sell black filas, but they were also more expensive, the black filas were R$250,00 more than the other pups

[Paul]

Just to note that not all black dogs are recent mixes. Some black can be put into the breeding and then continued breeding back into more Fila/Boerboel. Yes, the "RARE" colors demand almost double in some breeds. I will state that most breeds are mixed, that is how we got them. Black dogs are still dogs and some could/should be good dogs. The black gene is not a dormant gene that just appears.

[Brasileirokid]

Paul, that is part of the problem. most of the mix breeding was done so long ago that the poor saps that get duped into buying that crap and then breed it have no idea that they are breeding mixed bred dogs. This is the reason why they fight so hard for their dogs, IMO i believe that if they new that they were mixed bred from the get go that they would not breed it.