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I don't know about anyone else, but I can't see much resemblance between these two. Not even the color. Now I can see the resemblance of some filas to bloodhounds, on the other hand, but not this dog.
Well I just don't buy into CAFIB or their agenda, it defies common sense but that is quite alright with me if you do.
Unaware potential Fila owners see a CAFIB website and find that it is written in Brazilian Portuguese and automatically think they must be authentic Fila's but it couldn't be farther from the truth. I would much rather purchase a dog from a reputable US or European breeder.
Look at your reply and you can see there was no mention of the cross breeding of hounds and wild dogs that influence many of the CAFIIB type Fila's, Why is that?
You also mock my comparison of these dogs with Plott Hounds, so will you post a picture of a 29" Bloodhound or Bulldog?
The picture on the left is off a CAFIB website, the one on the right is a Plott/Redbone hound mix!
The CAFIB dog pictured about is clearly a Hound/Fila mix mongrel.
So why is it you keep referring to Mastiffs as if they are some how taboo, are they not part of the make-up of a Fila?
It seems to me that people like you want to breed all the Mastiff and Bull Dog out of the Fila, anyone with any breeding experience understands that ancestral genes can and will show up from either breed, do you think they inherit their ojeriza from the Blood Hound. lol
You close your eyes and picture a wimpy 100lb long snout cross bred hound taking down a 250lb jaguar, now open your eyes and stop dreaming.
You're insistent on pointing out the Mastiiff/Fila mix breed but you avoid the hound and feral dog mixes that influence many CAFIB dogs today.
There is no doubt I could look at your dogs and clearly point out their faults as you could with mine.
What it all boils down to is what faults we are willing to live with that sets us apart.
I don't know about anyone else, but I can't see much resemblance between these two. Not even the color. Now I can see the resemblance of some filas to bloodhounds, on the other hand, but not this dog.
Tobe, I'm confused on what your point is. Sorry?!
Dianna
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I don't see a resemblance in these two dogs, do you:
My point is that CAFIB and there loyal followers are always quick to bring up that any large or shorter muzzle Fila must be of a Mastiff or Great Dane interbreed but never do they want to admit or debate the influence of the feral dogs and hounds that are found in the CAFIB lineage today. Centuries ago Bloodhounds were of solid
oh man, lol. You really see a resemblance between those two dogs (the hound and the fila)? The pic you posted of the fila could be of a young female in which case there is nothing wrong with her at all. If she is an adult female then i would say she is light in the bones but a plott hound...your kidding right? No I dont see the resemblence between the english mastiff you posted and the korean dosa opposite the page...your point? I thought we were talking filas here.
now that we are comparing dogs...here ya go. An actual know CBKC fila well known as a matter of fact ant touted as "Foundation stock"
http://www.filadog.com/html%20docs/f...tion_pg_24.htm
tell me what kind breed this is...(hint IT"S A NEO).
Whatever it is, it is cool never seen a brindle, whatever that is before.
I have a small collection of these, didfferent types, all well known and many with championships...some of them are scary, some just comical...love the basset hound mixes...too cute!
personally, one of my favorites...this fine (very well known) foundation male is in many "greats"...guess of which breed??? If you said Bullmastiff you'd be wrong, this is a "real Fila". I know could've fooled me too. i have quite a few more...for every one you post i can post up 5-10-15, hell name a number all I have to do is google CBKC fila, press images and viola!
http://www.filadog.com/images/Current/Kinzer05.jpg
sounds like an opinion to me what i dont see ,are facts to back that up.in acuallity you have no idea what was used to develope this breed its only what you read.the origin of any dog is only as good as the dog itselt an for that reason ive no intension of or any sane person for that matter of casting my money in the wind for the sack of what the next nut sez are better dogs .ive worked to many dogs to be that nieve.granted ther are tons of stupid handlers most all dogs can be taught if your inteligent enought to relate them.2.if cafib dogs were so good why do they breed the same dogs over an over until the nipples touch the ground,arent they all suppose to be good,the truth is there no better than a good cbkc dog period,who buys into that crock.i most definatly wouldnt be buying into the advice of someone whose dog doesnt work,my girlfriends mutt can pull a bunch of crap around the yard,does that make him a working dog.
um your asking me if pulling stuff around the yard is work....depends i guess. no not all the cafib dogs are great dogs, only a fool would believe that. we are not talking good vs bad here are we? we are talking breeds and what they were meant for. now I showed several pics and I can show quite a bit more from different kennels claiming to have filas...the one thing they have in common is that none are consistent in type. If you were to buy a dog would you buy from a breeder that followed a standard and that their dog could EASILY be recognized as a dog from that breed? or would you buy a dog from a breeder that's kennel could easily be confused as a rescue for mixed bred mastiffs? The answer is there, anydogman/dogwoman will go with consistency 100% of the time I cant imagine anyone doing something different unless they just have to have a surprise...you know what they say variety is the spice of life!.
If that's what you consider a Neo I suggest a trip to the optometrist or a little more education on the breed, I've never seen a Neo with a pace but I guess your trained eye missed that! lolOriginally Posted by Brasileirokid
Alphadogg summed it up best, it's just your opinion and it's biased at that.
The fact is none of us know the true origins of the Fila, we can only rely on what we read to make a decision on what type of dog we prefer by using common sense.
I've came to the conclusion that many CAFIB dogs tend to be small and near the minimum breed standard. CBKC & CAFIB set that minimum standard at 100lbs, could there be a reason neither mention a maximum!
I prefer a massive Fila (males 140-170) with large bone, low set long ears and loose skin.
My idea of crossing a Mastiff (150-240lbs) a Bloodhound (also a large dog 90-110lbs) and a Ancient Bulldog which derives from Mastiffs, could not produce a slim 110lb dog galloping at full speed next to his owners horse. let alone take down a 250lb jaguar.
Does common sense tell me the Brazilian ranchers of Minas Gerais (the last strong hold of CAFIB fila's) ran a strict breeding program on their fence less ranches, no it does not, common sense tells me these dogs ran freely and breeding was indiscreet with various hounds and feral dogs, this could explain their small stature!
An organization that rids a dog of their black gene but excepts a piebald is very suspect to me, should we assume these piebalds come from the cross breeding of Saint Bernards or Fox Hounds, or should we reason that centuries ago Blood Hounds were solid in color, both black and white.
Some good advise would be, anytime you start bashing the standard you happen to disagree with you better be ready to defend the many holes in the one you do.
The truth is, I've seen CBKC dogs I would not consider in my breeding stock and CAFIB dogs that I would.
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