New world order for filas

[Brasileirokid]

I saw this and my jaw dropped...I have heard that this was what it is coming to to but I never thought I'd see the day...
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=...08364839229350

[de la Luna]

The extensive training the owner put into her Fila demanded obedience.

[Brasileirokid]

TEMPERAMENT: It is a courageous, determinate and daring dog. It does not hide its aversion to strangers, or its traditional tenderness to its owners and family. Consequently it is an unexceedable watch dog in the cities, and an excellent herdsdog and a hunter of big animals in farms. As a result of its temper, at dog shows it does not allow the judge(a stranger) to touch it. And if it attacks the judge, such a reaction must not be considered a fault, but only a confirmation of its temperament. At temper tests, obligatory for dogs over one year old at shows, the Fila attack must be in an ascending diagonal, in front of handler and without showing dependence from him.

This is the standard...what are deviations from the standard called? The dog is supposed to be judged, not how well the handler has trained the animal. Bottom line is the judge should have just asked to see the dog's teeth and by putting his hands in there it is either because he grew tired of having fingers or because he is insane.

[de la Luna]

As you wish, no insult intended. I just see in one picture an owner who has made a command of her Fila to.....

FCI standard is quoted:

" It displays a calm disposition, distinctive self-assurance and self-confidence, remaining unperturbed by strange noises or circumstances...

BEHAVIOUR/TEMPERAMENT : Courage, determination and outstanding braveness are part of its characteristics. With its owners and family it is docile, obedient and extremely tolerant with children. Its loyalty is proverbial, insistingly seeking the company of its master.

One of its characteristics is its aloofness towards strangers. It displays a calm disposition, distinctive self-assurance and self-confidence, remaining unperturbed by strange noises or circumstances. An unsurpassed guardian of properties, it also instinctively indulges in big game hunting and cattle herding.


VERY SERIOUS FAULTS :
• Apathy and timidity.

ELIMINATING FAULTS :
• Aggressive or overly shy."

I find that training to such an extreme to be valuable. No disrespect meant for your point of view, truly!

I'm not as well versed in an other standard than FCI, I'm sure any good Fila is a GOOD FILA. Someone does something unwise around me and my family will end up with.... trouble!

You obviously have good training and love your Fila.

[Brasileirokid]

I am dont get insulted over these things nor do I mean to come out as insulting, this is just a discussion. What is that, the CBKC standard??? This is also the one that calls for muzzle shorter than the skull, right? Funny how it uses the word "aloofness" to attempt to describe Ojeriza....an afghan is aloof, chihuahua is aloof, a Fila is something way different and I know you of all people know the difference. In this case I would not use the word aggressive to describe a fila but how about protective? BTW I agree....A good Fila is a good fila. when do we stop calling just any dog a fila? please follow this thread to understand what I mean: http://www.facebook.com/update_secur...group_activity ... on that thread there are many "real world" examples of obviously mixed dogs not only being called filas but actually winning at these FCI shows through out the world...No one in their right mind can actually imagine these dogs as Filas yet they continue to be produced...Who needs the AKC we can destroy our breed as fast if not quicker than they could...only took us 30 yrs what took generations to perfect.

[de la Luna]

Brasileirokid, that is a phenomenal link! Everybody take a cruise through it. Thanks, looking through those pictures and reading the messages was fun

[fj45lvr]

slightly off topic:

but how do you pronounce "Ojeriza" properly....I notice that the spanish and Portuguese sound different....spanish seems easier to pronounce (by listening to it on google).

that facebook page is primarily CAFIB?

[tobe]

Developed and written by Dr. Paul Santos Cruz, Erwin Waldemar Rathsam and John Ebner.
This standard was approved by BKC in 1946 :

HEAD: Always large and heavy in proportion to its body, it appears square and massive, typically brachicephalic (skull short in proportion to its breadth). The cranium is large and wide, narrowing somewhat abruptly at the start of the snout.
Frontal Depression or Stop, in frontal view, it is practically non-existent, continuing, in a narrow groove, which extends longitudinally, more or less, up to half of the skull.
Seen in profile, frontal depression is quite clear, that is formed by superciliary arches.
Pronounced occipital protuberance.
Strong and broad muzzle, shorter than the skull but always in harmony with it. great depth in all its legnth, ending on line almost perpendicular. Thick upper lip, loose and hung down which cover the lower lips, giving an appearenca of square muzzle, typical of mollosers.

It seems every Fila owner has his or her idea of what a true Fila represents.
The original Fila Brasileiro standard was written over 55 years ago by Dr. Paul Santos Cruz (the Dalai Lama of CAFIB) back then the black Fila was not only excepted, they were revered. Fast forward 32 years and Dr. Cruz somehow excepts a significant change in the standard!!!

I do agree with you that there are many mixed dogs showing up in the ring that hardly resemble a true Fila in my view. Most agree that a true Fila originated from the Mastiff, ancient Bulldog, and Bloodhound.
The mixed dogs I am seeing look more of a plot hound/Fila mix breed. Years ago some of the dogs brought from Minas Gerais presented the influence of hounds, with white chests and long muzzles resembling that of a fox hound.

A reasonable person would question how these sleek houndy obviously mixed dogs could ever be considered a true Fila, they surely are not "massive" the word that has always described the Fila in both the CBKC and Cafib standard.

Supporters of Cafib will always hang on the theory that Fila's being mixed with Neapolitan Mastiffs are mongrels, yet they avoid admitting the influence of hounds and even feral dogs that roamed the border-less ranches of the Minas Gerais. Why are these dogs not considered mongrels?

Many of us are fast to point out faults that do not show up in our line while conveniently overlooking the faults that do.
I believe today's Fila owner subscribe to the standard that best fits their dogs, one man's mongrel is another man's true Fila.

[stonefree78]

Any good book on cafib fila to recomand??

[Brasileirokid]

Tobe..CAFIB evals are for that main reason! to ensure that dogs of mixed heritage are not bred. I have never seen a 120lb plott hound...please post a picture, please. the standards for both show a min weight of about 100lbs..is this not "Massive" enough for ya? remember the fila is first and foremost a working breed...close your eyes and picture a magnificent 225lbs mastiff with a snout shorter than the skull running at full gallop next to his owners horse...now open your eyes and stop laughing, this isnt a joke. It is true that the evidence of bloodhound, mastiff and even bulldogs can be seen in our breed but all in harmony....since when was neopolitan blood used to create a fila? when was a great dane introduced? when was a basset hound introduced to Filas?????? if your answer is never (which it damn well be) then why would we see such an obvious influence in the breed...if it showed up in a cafib breeders stock it would be culled immediatly, if it showed up in a CBKC breeders stock it would be bred to as many mastiff crosses they had and then given an international championship...that is the main difference between CAFIB and CBKC. how many times has the CAFIB standard changed?....many times has the CBKC standard changed? why do you think Dr. Cruz left CBKC? was he proud of what was going on? why would the president (former?) of CBKC announce that there was so much mix breedings with fila within CBKC and attempt to adopt CAFIB's standard?

Stonefree....There are many great articles of CAFIB and such but most in Portuguese. contrary to what the CBKC breeders would want you to believe there is no CAFIB "propaganda" it is what it is. you want the info it needs to be searched for it doesnt get thrown down your throat. The more research one does the more they gravitate towards CAFIB.