Breeding

[Brasileirokid]

This video was done for all breeds and it should be looked at by all breeders including those of the Fila Brasileiro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hex00WjSobE&feature=share

[aceoutdoor]

Parts were true, parts false, parts sad and parts made me laugh out loud. Saying a English bulldog is the modern day old world bulldog, that is funny. English can't even breed or give birth on their own. They are a sorry excuse for a canine but does that mean they should be culled? No, it called free market, supply and demand. The owner blamed inbreeding and line breeding for the problem. Well I don't like inbreeding but line breeding can be an important tool for preserving desirable bloodline especially in a rare breeds like the fila. There are some trying to keep alive great bloodlines. Like the descendants of a now retired, and well respected breeder's dogs. You know her work well. The video make a valid point in some respects though. They didn't even mention dobermans, most here are scared of their own shadow.

[Brasileirokid]

Ace...No brother he mentioned the Olde English bulldog as a modern day working breed not the english bull dog. He mentioned that the english bulldog is tore up from the floor up (my words). Here is a link to a decent Olde English bulldogge breeder... BTW my brother has one.. 10 yrs old and looks and acts as if is 5 yrs old..athletic for what they are but I wouldnt call them true athletes. They have very explosive power but tire fairly quickly but many times harder, faster and have MUCH more endurance than a regular English bulldog...http://gargoylebulldogs.com/GARGOY~1/Page_1x.html
Check out "Black Omen" he is from same dam and sire as my brother's dog but from diff breeding. my brothers dog looks like hugo but bigger.. at 82lbs at 10yrs old and was very muscled when young at 90lbs. like i said they tire pretty quick so i would stop short of calling them actual working dogs but if you need quick power they are not bad.

[Brasileirokid]

"There are some trying to keep alive great bloodlines. Like the descendants of a now retired, and well respected breeder's dogs. You know her work well. "

No, I dont know who this is. There are a few people that meet this description and a couple of those are women but not sure who it is you are talking about since we dont really swim in the same pool.

[bigd1622]

Those olde english bulldogs seem nice to look at, but i wont see how they would ever be considered working dogs. Sure they got some power but they have no weight behind it... Its like putting a V10 on a Honda del sol, alot of power but no weight to contain the power. I personally find those dogs quite ugly and at the same time gorgeous. Lol, Juan and Ace agreeing on a good breeder is kind of hard to swallow. What is the name of that breeder must be quite unique.

[aceoutdoor]

Cafibbers talk about her like she's a dog. Well in the fila world that can be a compliment.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=fila28+kruel&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=558&tbm=isch&tbnid=crISR4ambO6LvM:&imgrefurl=http://black_fila_br.sites.uol.com.br/ing_1999_1950_2.htm&docid=HqQVHNHUjudViM&imgurl=http://black_fila_br.sites.uol.com.br/fila28.jpg&w=236&h=230&ei=KSYLT526C-6IsALR4PnqAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=205&vpy=207&dur=3451&hovh=184&hovw=188&tx=107&ty=89&sig=112837061042923089955&page=1&tbnh=154&tbnw=158&start=0&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

[Brasileirokid]

lol, I'm sorry but this lady is the reason why that mixed bred crap got into the state to begin with. She was the biggest miller of fila dogs in America, This lady is a straight joke in the Fila world and the only people in the community that praise her are the breeders that sell dogs to the U.S in abundance as she opened the door to their crap to sell for 20X what they are worth. Anyone else want to preserve her "bloodlines"? go to your local ASPCA and get 10 dogs and breed them all to each other...TA DA! instant success. I thought you were serious for once kid.

[Paul]

How much do police dogs weigh? Not much compared to a Fila. I could see those dogs being working dogs. Look at those old English flying through the air and IMO those dogs would be good at what they are trained to do. My favorite page on that gargoyle site is the old photos. Nice to see some historic photos. I was impressed with those dogs now if I could only explain to my British friends how WE turned and English Bulldog into an American Bulldog. That topic really gets the Brits pissed and I don't mean drunk.

[aceoutdoor]

Juan, Where I am from a guy who talks as much smack as you would not have made it thru high school with his teeth. My guess is that just "screen talk", half the time probably from a taxpayer funded computer on taxpayer funded time(and we wonder why this country is broke). Keep your east coast slang to yourself, I'm no kid.

BTW you were arguing with people on another site, as usual flaming people and talking down to them. One of those people made this, just for you I bet. Put it on your dartboard next to Mrs. Kruel's picture......

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393250_10150618736509465_586244464_11971176_553767 61_n.jpg

[Brasileirokid]

Ace, oh please, Where I am from we actually have teeth, no wooden posts here. my high school was rated the worst in New York and i made it out with all my teeth but we didnt have tuff computer gangsters like you back then to really scare us and knock out all out teeth. keep your west coast tan lines to yourself cause you sound like a child. You wanna know why this country is broke...bad purchases like fake filas by gullible people. BTW I am allowed use of my private laptop at work while I am on break sorry that the septic tanks dont come equipped with wireless internet for you to tap into while you are working. lol, that page was made so long ago...you really have no clue and BTW i have no idea how that is suppose to make me feel at all. you do know that was just some guy playing with his computer at home that made that one page...did you attempt to go to the website? so another fake magazine by a fake breeder of fake filas.. good job Ace you just proved to us how not to find a breeder, you do contribute. Seriously though do you ever get tired of me making you look so bad or...oh crap, your not into that whole demeaning stuff are you? are you just using me for some twisted sick role play? you are so wrong...very sick.

[Brasileirokid]

Paul, the Olde English Bulldogges can work and they are explosive like I stated just not for long periods of time.. impressive dogs in a super tight compact body.

[Brasileirokid]

ACE, BTW the dogs on that pic dont look that bad at all actually but I still dont get how that would have been directed at me 6 mths ago or what that would mean to me. I guess it is just one of your intellectual quips that I just will never be able to grasp with my slow city education, up bringing and dim wits.

[bigd1622]

LOL, i talk alot more crap than juan does... Went to a school where i was the oly white guy and walked away with my teeths, came to brazil... I call them lazy, retarded, and ignorants and i still got plenty of teeth... wait... 1,2,3... yup i got em all. But anywayz, enough dentist talk. i may be getting a rescue female englush mastiff.

[deidei]

Thanks for the link Bradileiro Kid. Black Omen and Hugo are both good looking dogs. I thought "Loki" was awesome.

[Jake1420]

Juan.
After reading a ton of post's. I just cant believe you even respond to this guy lol. Isn't their a way you can just mute him like an ignore button. That way his post wouldn't even be visible for you to see. Maybe the admin should make something like that. My advice.... DO NOT FEED THE TROLL! I'm not very old (30) But I just couldn't imagine being that immature to start sh*T with everything some one says. Wow his life must be boring lol. Where I'm from we respect each other and have a life and family and activities. Trust me dude it might help to get out and do something once in a while (not talking to you Juan)

[Brasileirokid]

lol, thanks Jake. He not a bad dude just a guy that was given bad info. unfortunatly, like many he has been treated like the magpie in which the parasitic cuckoo bird lays an egg in its nest, and when it hatches the magpie is tricked into rearing the young although it isnt the one it intended to raise. See, he is a good person as he protects what he believes to be the Fila Brasileiro. Just like the Magpie he was given a lil gift, the gift comes wrapped in a similar (but not exact) package of what he thought he wanted...the lil gift started growing and he fell in love with it but now the lil gift looks nothing like what he originally thought but love is blind (actually called kennel blindness for this example). No matter how insanely and obviously different the lil gift is from the intended it still looks the same to the magpie and it takes care of it and feeds it while it is destroying the real magpies. (BTW in this case cuckoos are unscrupulous breeders and the magpies are uninformed buyers)... the old bait and switch, lol.

[Jake1420]

the same thing happened to me. I take responsibility for not doing enough research and making a compulsive decision. However He is a great dog just not a great Fila that doesn't mean we don't all adore him cause we do. But he is not a real fila plain and simple. I have a hard time with people contaminating the breed. I saw that video you posted about dogs from the early 1900's to the same dogs now and it really pisses me off especially all the diseases and health problems to fit their stupid needs. If you don't like something about the breed get a different breed that fits your visual and physical needs its that easy don't get a breed and then alter it. these are beings not cars lol. Well peace man.

[Brasileirokid]

hey Jake, did u ever get a real Fila? where in PA are ya? I was in philly yesterday and go there often.

[Jake1420]

I'm in the center of the state... About 20 miles from Penn State University. Yea I got a real Fila from Brasil "Itanhandu" Funny thing is the Fila I got from Brasil was $1,300 with shipping to Philly. The Fake black Fila I got was from Tennessee and cost about $1,500 go figure lol. Is that where you got your female Maggie?? She produces some nice puppies. Also who is the father to the pups I saw on your porch in a youtube video?

[aceoutdoor]

lol, thanks Jake. He not a bad dude just a guy that was given bad info. unfortunatly, like many he has been treated like the magpie in which the parasitic cuckoo bird lays an egg in its nest, and when it hatches the magpie is tricked into rearing the young although it isnt the one it intended to raise. See, he is a good person as he protects what he believes to be the Fila Brasileiro. Just like the Magpie he was given a lil gift, the gift comes wrapped in a similar (but not exact) package of what he thought he wanted...the lil gift started growing and he fell in love with it but now the lil gift looks nothing like what he originally thought but love is blind (actually called kennel blindness for this example). No matter how insanely and obviously different the lil gift is from the intended it still looks the same to the magpie and it takes care of it and feeds it while it is destroying the real magpies. (BTW in this case cuckoos are unscrupulous breeders and the magpies are uninformed buyers)... the old bait and switch, lol.


Juan for once thank you. I had a bad day and that was funny as hell, you put a smile on my face. If your TSA patdown job falls thru I think you might have a career writing kids books.

Jake if you got a bad dog with a weak temperament I would recommend stating which kennel you got him from so others might think twice before making the same mistake. You might be shocked to know there are many black and dark brindle filas who are fearless, top notch specimens out there. And BTW Itanhandu does not have the best reputation, even with some CAFIB folk. Good and bad dogs come out of both camps.

[Paul]

I can testify to brindles being damn good at being Filas. My only experience with blacks was not good and the fawns have impressed me in the past.

[Brasileirokid]

Jake, Yes Maddy is from Itanhandu her sire is jagunco da Fazenda Mundeo and her dam is Rama II do Amparo. not sure which pup you are referring to bit it could either be a son of Brilho de itanhandu (Apingora do ibituruna X guine do Itanhandu) or a pup out of Unifila Serras de Minas Sepe...brother to Dela luna's Savage..

Ace, Glad I can brighten up your day. BTW I have no idea where you got the notion that I work for TSA 'cause i dont. I actually did work for them as a manager over 5 years ago but no longer do. How are ya doing with the septic tank gig? did they promote you to pumper and are they letting you wear gloves now? i hope so.

I have seen Black dogs with temperament but they werent filas... See that is the issue, it isnt a fila just because it has or doesnt have temp. it has to encompass ALL the characteristics of a fila not just temp and that is where the mystical "black fila" falls apart.

[ghostsword]

I had a dog in the k9 unit that would have shamed many Filas temp out there..
- don't let strangers approach?
yep
- do not let being touched by anyone but me?
yep
- jump straight at the throat?
yep

Sadly it was a working GSD, great temperament to use in Front Line operations, but not a Fila. :) Temperament does not make a Fila, that I am sure of it, as my GSD had really hard temperament.

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[Brasileirokid]

Hey Ghost, welcome aboard...you will see alot of this type of thread going on here...funny at times and ridiculous at others.

[carrie]

It seems to me your comparing apples to oranges, im sure your shep went through alot of training to behave like that, im sure if the shep was raised in a non working home he would not be the same way, were as a fila raised the same way as the shep, would have an aversion to being touched by strangers and always go up when they attack naturaly no training required, its instinctual in a fila not in a german shepard working bloodlines or not. And a big YES, temperament does make a fila what a fila is suppose to be, if it didnt then it would just be another big dog.

Welcome to the wonderful world of filas

[Brasileirokid]

Carrie, There are MANY dog breeds out there with a high aversion to stranger, defense drive, etc...What I think he meant is that just that one trait does not make them a Fila just like almond shape eyes or camel gait or a proper ear set does not make a fila..it must be the full spectrum of all the descriptors of the breed, in balance to make a "Fila" ...surely you have heard of dogs being born in a litter w/o proper temp...they are genetically filas just not ones that should reproduce.... I am in total agreement with you though, what good is a Fila w/o temp?

[carrie]

How many breeds besides the fila have to obtain and pass a temperament test to receive there champion papers??

[Brasileirokid]

in Europe? ALOT of breeds do. With CAFIB they have to pass a Temperament test just to be allowed to be shown. Imagine if the dog won several shows breeds multiple times and then goes for his/her championship and fails the TT....all those litters are then crapped...It should be done before any breeding to avoid all those messes. I know that GSDs and Rottweilers are not given persmission to breed until they get some sort of certificate of TT or maybe even more in Europe..so yea, Filas are not alone in that.

[carrie]

Two posts above you say the temperament isnt important and in another breath you say that it IS important or else everything else is moot. So please tell us what tests in USA and Canada do sheps and rottis have to pass to become a champion, never heard of such a thing here, maybe in Europe but not here.

[carrie]

I was asking about breeds of dogs not country's, i know of a few different LG's that have similar temp but not the same, so what are some breeds that are totally like the fila?

[Brasileirokid]

ummm, none then...do we have FCI championships in the USA? I didnt know that. There is no dog "totally like the fila" but that is not what I said is it? I said there are dog breeds out there with alot of defense drive...check out COs (but they are also Dog agressive), CCs are suppose to be the same way, believe Komodors (sp) are suppose to be similar, russian terriers, etc, etc.

BTW I never said that temperament isnt important...please find that post cause that is a lie. I said that it is not the only thing that makes a Fila...and that is the truth. just because you have a hard charging, protective dog it doesnt make it a fila...I know a couple of Akitas that way.

[Brasileirokid]

BTW, i dont have any first hand knowledge with those breeds only what is written about them.

[bigd1622]

Hello everyone im back. Well only breeds that i can think of being very agressive to strangers are COs, and maybe even the alabai. But just like juan said, the COS are dog agressive, what about the one hairy mastiff? either way i think fila is the only one that has that agression towards strangers (Ojeriza) and that can work around other dogs. A few years ago i wanted to buy an Alabai dog but they wont sell males to first time owners. Also the extinct cordoba fighting dog was very very agressive i am not sure if the story is correct or maybe its a false fact, but i read that it became extinct because it was so agrerssive that it would even attack the females.