CBKC document

[Brasileirokid]

CBKC-0122/11-circular dated on 22NOV2011 states that after 01JAN2012 dogs born from 01JAN2011 must obtain an approval to reproduce in an exposition by cbkc after they are 12 mths of age...guys, do you know what this means? all you breeders in the states producing crap must get a cbkc sanctioned judge, throw a show and have your dog approved for breeding or no papers for your dogs...now they can have a specific and consistent look because now the judges wont beable to look at a basset hound, a neo, and a great dane and say with a straight face that they are filas and approved for breedings. I wonder how many of you breeders will pony up the cash to do that? now this may also mean that they will reprove all CAFIB types...this is excellent news as we then get to finally break away from the stigma that all filas are like what they see at fci shows.... this is a win win!

[Brasileirokid]

btw if anyone wants the copy of the doc just send me an email and Ill get it to you. for some reason this forum is not letting me post it.

[Brasileirokid]

no one wants to make comments on this momentous occasion?

[Brasileirokid]

seriously?

[carrie]

Could you post a link to were you got this info from, as i have went to both sites cbkc and fci and no were did i see anything posted about this, or doing a search for it did not bring anything up, or was this another thing on wiki? if this is true then i forsee ALOT of unregistered filas being sold in the future, which is not good for the breed at all. Most of the filas being sold online today are not registered or being sold with a bogus kennel club registry.

[carrie]

Never mind i seen where is was posted, nuf said

[Robert_eptx]

Can't speak for anyone else but I don't have a problem with this at all.. Its long overdue.. What remains to be seen is a mechanism will be put into place that folks outside or far from Brazil will be able toke advantage of this.. History has shown that getting the proper judges int he States can be problematic at times.

Sned me the document maybe I can get it posted up here filar@hotmail.com

Robert

[Robert_eptx]

If it didn't come through or isn't large enough to read visit the Fila 411 page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_156946507686647

[carrie]

I have no issues with it either but it seems kind of a small document for such a big deal and then to have it pop up on a cafib page hmmmm.

[carrie]

I see the translation says all dogs born in brazil, does that mean usa is exempt?

[Brasileirokid]

Rob. I have it on my CPU at home so when I get on there Ill send it to you asap.
Carrie, it pops up on a Fila Brasileiro page that has followers of both sides. I doubt that it is fake but really hope it isnt. It really isnt a huge deal though, it is CBKC realizing that the 2nd most registered dog in their registry is being bred into 15 different types but still called Fila. They want to make it one type (and I dont care what type it is as long as it is consistent) and they want to get rid of BYBs that are ruining the breeds name because as we know BYBs dont fly in reputable judges to have their dogs evaluated and deemed pure and most wont embarass themselves bringing a dog to a public venue where they would be publicly humiliated.
I know they are not picking the proper type as I see a few non CAFIB type breeders selling off their pure dogs as soon as this came out so they know whats up. This is the best possible thing that could've happened and I am so happy that it did. First off it will bring back type and consistency to non CAFIB dogs (I dont care what it is but it really is insane how many types are bred under the same name). second it will finally bring about 2 legitimatly and completly different breeds and people will no longer be confused... this should have happened years ago and this is what I have been hoping for so long for.

[aceoutdoor]

Ohhh a real shocker. If you think this is a win for the CAFIB, keep on steppin up that hill. Go ahead and burn your papers, and throw your mouse and keyboard on there as well. Back yard breeders, you mean like this one...... Well technically you have to have a back yard, working dogs need exercise you know....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mhaMgaw31c&feature=related

[Brasileirokid]

oh brother...you really do take things literally dont ya? well my pups are whelped inside my home and therefore are house trained before they leave. They have interactions with children of ages ranging from 3-15 as well as adults, other dogs and even other animals. I do research before any breeding is planned, have health tests on both male and female w/ OFA before a breeding takes place. Dogs know some basic commands and are microchipped and health checked before they leave and fully guaranteed against hip, elbow dysplasia and I even have a temp guarantee pups and their bloodlines have done and continue to do well in shows...BTW I guess you forgot that this is the borough of parks with countless acres of unmolested wildlife refuge...we have deer, rabbits, turkeys, hawks etc, running wild all within 5 minutes walking from my home. The dogs get run 3Xs a week (5miles for Maddy ea. time) and what you saw in that video is part of a dual tier deck. I know you were taught that NY is Manhattan but you obviously dont know crap about New York or all it's boroughs. Now that you feel sufficiently small do you really want this convo to continue or would you like to tell me how your breedings compare? LOL. Dude are you drunk? Have you not noticed that every time you try to come at me with something I make you look like a fool? Or do you just get off on being looked upon as a dope? If it is that then you are just sick. Oh and BTW if you want proof of OFA look at the stats they are all there.. never met someone so hell bent on looking stupid.

BTW this is what a backyard breeder is as per your beloved Wiki, lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_breeder
Now I will have CAFIB papers for my stock...where will you peddle your paperless mutts?

[aceoutdoor]

Your own quote off this board "I just announced the litter... there are 3 spoken for and they will not be chosen until the pups are at least 7 weeks old.. I will accept deposits at this time but a pup cannot be "picked" out until the first 3 are chosen...pretty much next deposit gets 4th pick and so forth. "
Who's peddling puppies here? Do you arrange payment plans like Luis? I told you I have never sold pups to the general public nor do I profit from them and I said papers were useless for filas not that my dogs aren't registered. Never shipped overseas either, very local only so I can take any dog back if there was a problem in the home. Dual tier deck, damn, sounds like a working dog paradise.
I'm not here for me or to promote anything. Matter of fact been browsing for years without commenting. But what you do here and elsewhere is wrong, and like a arrogant bully in school, people need to put you in your place. If the CAFIB was smart they would shut you and your comrades up before you discredit them more than yourself.

[Brasileirokid]

guess you dont want to take me up on the comparing part aye? It cost me close to $4Gs to produce a quality litter, I sold 3 pups for $1200 last litter and they were VERY good pups, I kept the rest with people close to me to see how they turned out...it was a litter of 7...Use all your toes and fingers...did I get enough for that car yet? I keep telling ya dont open your mouth if you dont know what you are talking about. You think I get a kick out of making you look bad but I really dont, so please just stop. If I am what you call a bully what do you call a person that stands by and lets others get screwed? or how about the one that defends those doing the screwing over? Have you ever been so screwed over that you want others to feel the same way so that you dont feel like the only one that got scrwed, ya know like purchasing a pure bred dog and finding out later on that it wasnt pure? yikes, I just figured it out, didnt I? I'm sorry bro, I know it hurts but I promise I wont let anyone else get caught up like that.

[aceoutdoor]

If want to help people, you could start a thread about Lions Den. I'm sure there are alot of people who would love to share their experiences with them. Sounds like you have had a few. But don't lump all the non CAFIB kennels and/ or dogs with theirs.

[Brasileirokid]

BTW dont know how true this is but Im putting it out there as to keep you guys in the loop as I get info...From what I understand It is that Mr. Sene, president of the Fila Brasileiro council in cbkc founded this idea, interestingly enough he is selling all of his CAFIB stock and is advertising it as "tested and approved CAFIB filas from the purest bloodlines available"( he has bred these dogs multiple times with his females and has produced multiple litters).

So far people are interpreting it as only filas born in Brazil (like Carrie stated earlier). I'm sure it will be more strict than that otherwise what is the use? people could just use different addresses from neighboring countries..

[Brasileirokid]

Ace, I was just looking at Canil Sena now and I have to admit I like alot of his dogs...if someone absolutely has to get a non CAFIB dog then this is the most consistent one I have found to date. http://www.canilsenasene.com.br/canil/ . I dont like all of his dogs but some of them I like alot, take a look guys.

Lions den pisses me off because he does so much advertisement that he screws over the most people but he doesnt stop there, he has to rape them of as much money and then send them a badly bred dog with parvo...hate that kind of person.

[Brasileirokid]

Ace, The organization itself did the right thing, it put out that their dogs are mixed bred and that they were gonna try to solve the issue, most of the kennels and the owners act as if it never happened and continue on the same exact path...why hide that fact from your buyers, why tell people that not only are the CAFIB people lying about it but saying that they have the pure strain? when most owners find out they got duped they get pissed off, why werent they told? they may have bought a pup anyway if they were told but to be lied to is wrong...my lil shit king looks almost like a purebred shitzhu...they couldve told me it was or it wasnt I would have still got it for the wife but they told me it was a mutt and I was happy they told me, made no difference to me. the point is that some people care and when the truth is hidden from them they get pissed off because when the dog doesnt act or look the way it is suppose to when it grows up it is painfully obvious and by now they love the dog. obviously canil sene has been working hard as most of his dogs have somewhat of a consistent look...I applaud that, others should follow that lead no matter what look they are going for, at least have consistency in your own yard.

[de la Luna]

All,

I'm not putting in about the rest of the discussion. If I can't keep ALL my Filas and puppies IN MY HOME all the time I hope I re-home them to better places.

Best,

[fj45lvr]

wow....Dianna is alive!! Any you pups still around from last batch?? How are they turning out now as far as color and temperament?? Hope all is well with youi.

[Linda]

I have my doubts about this- Id like to see what the requirments will be for the CBKC. Hopeffully they will revise the standard again to more closly adhere to the original??
Someone on here said that people will be able to get around this rule by using a different address from another country- wont work because if you live in an FCI country you must use that registry. Only Brasilian and US breeders are able to use the CBKC to register dogs.
Any registry is only as good as the breeders who use it- it is only a data base to record breedings. It is not a guarantee of quality.
I think this was done to prevent CAFIB breeders from registering their dogs- I dont think it is a good thing and dont feel that it will improve the fila at all. The same crappy dogs will get permission to breed and CBKC will appear to be trying to rectify the cross breedings when in reality it is just a rubber stamp of misguided thinking. Why do you think Mr Sene is selling his CAFIB dogs- shouldnt he be selling the other ones if he really believes in preserving the real fila?

[de la Luna]

wow....Dianna is alive!! Any you pups still around from last batch?? How are they turning out now as far as color and temperament?? Hope all is well with youi.
I missed you. I had my back go into nuclear melt-down, and have been unable to do....pretty much everything. Hard to sit for more than 10 minutes, but I do still have Blaze. Had my first experience going and taking one back from one buyer. The pictures will horrify you. The new owner put on 12 lbs in the first week and another 10 the next. All is well with him now. If I have another litter, I hope I never have a bad buyer again. I thought I was so sure about her. I am glad we found a new home for him to be happy with. Get this, she complained that he was to attentive to her; he watched and followed her all the time. Is that why she starved him? I do have the pictures and 4 pages of the vet report from the day I picked him up, I have the bland e-mails between us during the two months he was with her; so saying so to inform I have the documented proof. If someone wants the documentation, I will e-mail confidentially. Blaze is unique in her personality. Did PennHIP and OFA screening on Astarte from the first litter last Tuesday so I should know how the Ozzy/Juicy cross turned out in 'betterment' by next week and the end of the month. Please keep your fingers crossed that I did something for the better! Take a look at the web site, there are some pictures of the last litter. Thanks for the shout out, makes me feel warm and fuzzy :)

Best

[girldogue]

Dianna, I am sorry you had that awful experience with the shitty owner - glad you were able to get Blaze back. I would like to know the persons name in case they ever try to get another fila . You can email me girldogue@gmail.com
Hope your back gets better soon - I know how terrible it is living with back pain :-(
Hope the dogs are all well.

Suzy

[de la Luna]

Suzy,
It was Bullseye that had the bad experience. Blaze, I kept for futurity. Thank you for the concern, really, I mean it. The back, we're going to try an epidural, see if that helps. The name is Jairi Rae who bought Bullseye. She was a 2 year inquiring person, met her personally and thought that was good. My babies are MORE important than that. Other than that, life is great! Hope all is well with you and your babies :)

Best,

[Brasileirokid]

Dianna, hope you feel better w/ your back. I have had back problems from an old injury now for the past 11yrs. I have tried cortisone shots, the thing where they burn the nerves, chiropractors, you name it...I hope you have better luck than me, my next step is disk replacement or maybe fusions...Glad you were able to get the pup out of a bad situation, I had to take one back but that was because the guy suffered some injuries and was in/out of the hospitals for weeks and couldnt handle the pup anymore.

Linda, To me it doesnt matter which type they choose CAFIB or one of their multiple types as long as they concentrate on one type and not a dozen I consider that a step in the right direction....even if it is not a fila at least it will be something consistent. You are probably right about the whole not wanting CAFIB breeders registering their dogs there but seriously why have we? cause it is easy? I hope they go through with it and then we could finally break away from all that free for all they got going on over there....BTW CBKC is for Brazil North America's FCI registry is FCPR, you need (or your suppose to need) a Brazilian addy in order to get papers from them or just a lil extra money also sways them.

[Linda]

Hey Juan
No one in the US needs a Brasilian addy - that only applies to someone living in an FCI country who doesnt want to use their own kennel club. Fees are the same for everyone. IMO FCPR is a real pain and their Fila stud book is corrupt. I know for a fact back in the day Kimbertal registered black/ tan dogs as brindles. Using CAFIB to approve my breeding stock and CBKC to record the parents works for me until we have a better system.

[Brasileirokid]

Linda, that is what I am saying...USA does have it's own FCI registry it is called FCPR... we are not suppose to be using CBKC. Yes, the FCPR stud books are corrupt as is all the FCI registries..it is funny you mentioned black and tan as there is a discussion going on about a black and tan "fila" registered with cbkc as just black...BTW, maybe back in the day they didnt care but when I went to register a kennel name with fci they told me I MUST use FCPR. I find that dealing with FCPR is easier anyways as I dont have to wait 6mths+ for pedigrees, last time I waited a total of 2.5 weeks and I had pedigrees in hand. Either way they both suck as far as being corrupt which is why I say lets get the ef out of there and find something else that isnt as unreliable as my father's old pinto.

[fj45lvr]

so what does this mean for the US if anything????

[Brasileirokid]

It COULD mean that we cant use cbkc to register filas anymore unless we plan to have a cbkc judge eval our filas...I really dont see this happening BTW. I spoke to several breeders in BR and they are all saying that they doubt this would happen as they would lose to much $$$. Really though it wouldnt matter as anyone could use fcpr anyways...now if it was a full out FCI thing then we just go to other registries, where there is a will there is a way, lol.

[fj45lvr]

is FCPR in peurto Rico?? how many registries are there for Filas in the US??? just curious...

[Brasileirokid]

Yes, FCPR is in Puerto Rico and it is the FCI registry in North America. They all speak English there (some better than others) and if you have any questions of them I have found that a lady by the name Shakira is very helpful. you have FCPR, CKC, DRA, ICKC...just to name a few. If I am not mistaken there is a way to get AKC papers even for dogs that they dont recognize...I think it was called AKC fss or something like that. Remember a Kennel Club is just a place to get papers, some are really easy to get papers from and others are very strict and selective. IMO papers are only as good as the breeder you get them from...WAY too much paper hanging in this breed to trust just anyone.

[fj45lvr]

wonder what percentage of real fila owners in brazil even have papers??

[Brasileirokid]

Fj, good question...I heard ibituruna doesnt have papers for any of his dogs which is why many have initial registrations...I saw a pic the other day of an OLD dog, dirty and skinny farm dog...rumored to be son of Apingora! some people sitting on the best stuff and dont even know it, lol.

[deidei]

Hi Diana,

I hope you feel better soon. An aching back is bloody awful. Have you considered any other options aside from an epidural? I've heard good things about Botox. I've also heard numerous post epidural complaints. The most common complainants say they can tell when it's going to rain because their back starts to ache. I didn't have that experience, in fact, for me it was love after first injection.

[aceoutdoor]

After be touted as a revelation this document and accompanying actions in Brazil must be devastating to the Ca Fib. Must be like winning the lottery, waking up the family to tell them, and then realizing you were a number off.

[Brasileirokid]

what does that even mean? BTW I am still waiting for that link to the picture you posted....whenever you are ready unless ofcourse you got that picture and "info" from someone else and they havent revealed where they got it from yet.

[aceoutdoor]

Barack Hussein Obama must be right about one thing..... "Americans are getting lazy". Look at the website of your friend. The "kennel" I posted. Ca Fib kennel that is.

[Brasileirokid]

"Americans are getting lazy". I couldnt agree more...instead of proper breeding some americans will use other breeds to get desired results quickly and then lie about it... I went to his site, did not see it...care to link it for me?

[Brasileirokid]

btw I dont know what "After be touted as a revelation this document and accompanying actions in Brazil must be devastating to the Ca Fib. Must be like winning the lottery, waking up the family to tell them, and then realizing you were a number off" means...let me know so I can respond or was that meant for someone else?

[Robert_eptx]

Have to admit Ace does have a point Juan.. Just for the heck of it I went looking for the picture and found it in less than 3 minutes..

It's right where it was said to be.. Not only that another 2 mins and I found it on Google/Picassa Web albums. Picture was taken Sep 1 2008 with an Olympus model camera Model? X550,D545Z,C480Z..

Robert

[aceoutdoor]

I went to his site, did not see it.. Well maybe if Americans would spend at least an hour doing research before voting for the leader "of the free world" we would not be "going nowhere fast". BTW I got a kick out of this on 411, before you removed it after I posted the kennel, thank GOD for screen grab. You guys are a trip. Its a shame the fila community is so small, you people could give the world a laugh.

[aceoutdoor]

Have to admit Ace does have a point Juan.. Just for the heck of it I went looking for the picture and found it in less than 3 minutes..

It's right where it was said to be.. Not only that another 2 mins and I found it on Google/Picassa Web albums. Picture was taken Sep 1 2008 with an Olympus model camera Model? X550,D545Z,C480Z..

Robert

Thanks Robert. Its not rocket science or brain surgery. Juan has an agenda, so did Che Guevara, he once worked for a taxpayer-ed financed entity also.

[aceoutdoor]

oh yea...that's whats out hear in the USA.


not really a kennel just a guy with a really vivid imagination as to what a fila is


that is no Neo...that sir is a CBKC Fila Brasileiro...it has their pedigree


maybe a Sharpei but for $500 USD the breeder wants you to call it a Fila Brasileiro...complete w/ CBKC papers....must be a fila, right?

Really Juan?

Who in the hell would buy pups from them? You accuse us of showing the best of CBKC and showing the worst from CAFIB? OK RIGHT!! If I sold my pups I would post videos of a real Fila!

[aceoutdoor]

This dog... http://filasdrsr.weebly.com/uploads/9/5/6/8/9568713/1323406243.png is the best you got?


Thats not a Fila. And you say we come up with the worst and you with the best. LOL. Ok Whatever

[Brasileirokid]

Robert and Ace, whenever I need to find something I'll ask you guys then...I have searched this site: http://o-fila.blogspot.com/ and cant find that pic...can you please link it to me? not that it would change the fact that it is still a crappy pic of a preggo dog anyways. I just want to be able to find that same dog in other pics to post.

Ace, that site is not this forum. The Fila 411 forum located at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/fila411usa/ with info page: http://fila411-usa.blogspot.com/

In this forum I have posted what CBKC breeders consider to be the best of the best so much so that they use those same pics to advertise their kennels. Now, tell the truth have you gone out of your way to find examples and pics that most CAFIB Fila Brasileiro breeders would consider to be the best of the best? I now know that both you and Rob possess an uncanny ability to do web searches so no more kidding around.

It is also good to know that you have become a regular at the Fila 411, no doubt to your web searching prowess you already found documents that must seem very intriguing there...currently there are discussions of documents in which the Brazilian ministry of agriculture cancelled the authorization for the cbkc to be the sole provider of pedigrees of fila brasileiro...this happened in 2010 which means all that touting and BS about "only official" nonsense is out the window. Also you must have also seen that Chico was the one that talked CBKC into adopting the breeding practices of CAFIB which are dogs are only allowed to breed after an evaluation...I find it funny however that you chose not to post such historically important tidbit but instead decided to post about a dog out of Aim kennel that is up for stud for $500usd (probably son of thor,,,you know, the champion). Now do you really want me to go tit for tat with you? do you REALLY want me to post the worst cbkc dogs on here? or should I stay with posting the best? let me know either way killa.

[aceoutdoor]

Anyone who gives a shit about filas know that Juan. Why do you think we are here? To play games? I for one have much better things to do with my time.I try to spend my time making money for my family. I have not been on unemployment for 3 years. My filas stalk prey like a cat, as a fila is supposed to do, as young as 7 weeks. Do yours? OK THEN. Agree to disagree, why don't you people get that?

[Brasileirokid]

what part does everyone know? and yes, my filas as well as my other dogs actually catch and usually eat racoons and opossums, I dont get the point there? Yes, I think you are here to play games, why else do you avoid real topics and choose to post petty stuff? unemployment? I just dont get where that comes in on this.

[aceoutdoor]

Our dogs are not a bunch of fat ass slobs who cannot fight their way out of a wet paper bag. They are courageous warriors who will stop at nothing to protect their owners. And I have been around working dogs from Johnson and Scotty, Old Southern or Alpha Blue Blood, American Bulldogs to Malinois and Turkish Anatolian Shepards. Filas Rock....PERIOD.

[aceoutdoor]

OK know it all Juan. When hunting, where do you shoot a treed coon and why?

[Brasileirokid]

no Ace our dogs are not but many of them are and one standard allows them while the other does not. some, as you saw cant fight their way out of a wet paper bag in fact many cant and those are allowed under a certain standard, some will stop at nothing to protect their families while others will let the judge check their mouth for them...that is allowed only under a certain standard. No I too have been around working dogs (few would say that johnson dogs are true working dogs as most are WAYYY overdone) and actually I am surrounded by working dogs all day everyday, filas rock for their purpose, I agree.

I dont know never been hunting for coons...my dogs catch those animals in my backyard. point?

Got a question for you though...when is it a good thing to have inconsistency in a breed?

[aceoutdoor]

You shoot a coon in the head so its dead when it hits the ground because a good dog will attack the coon dead or alive the second it hits the ground. If its not dead there is a good chance the coon will scratch the dogs eyes out if left alive. Racoons are smart animals, proper molossers are smarter.

[aceoutdoor]

** CAUTION FOR SENSITIVE AUDIENCES** FYI here is a coon hunter with a overpowered rifle and a bad shot. Should be one shot one kill. There should be no noise from the coon after the first shot of a .22LR, much less whatever these guys shot 3 times. An angry coon can do some damage, trust me. This all could have been avoided with a sharp shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fo3Le7k1kE

[Brasileirokid]

oh crap...guy needs to be a better shot, even towards the end of the video the coon was still alive.

[aceoutdoor]

Sorry he was using a Ruger mark 3 target pistol, still a poor shot

[bigd1622]

Lol coon hunting looks fun. Here we dont have coons but we have Capivaras, they get really big and can be quite vicious.

PS: my BB gun wont be able to kill them

[aceoutdoor]

I love it. But walking miles thru the woods in the middle of the night is not everyone's idea of fun. Coons are at an all time high population so they need to be hunted. They are smart animals and can crawl thru a hole in a tree half the size of a their body to get away from angry dogs. The dogs love it, but sometimes go too far out of range and you can't find them at quitting time. We just put their cage on the ground and leave our coat on top of the cage, come back the next morning and look who's there waiting. They have some nose on them.

[fj45lvr]

Ace you use filas to tree coons?? just curious

[aceoutdoor]

They will when they have been around coonhounds before. Mine will tree them on my fenced property and kill them when they catch them eating out of a feeder or anytime the filas get to the coon before the coon gets to a tree. I don't take them on hunts unless it is on a very large property for the reason above. Filas hate to leave their owner unless they are with other dogs working or on the hunt, and I worry about them wandering off and running into a stranger. No need to worry about a blue tick meeting a stranger.

The best hunting dog I ever had was a Scotty American bulldog. He was a natural hunter, and when fenced would kill anything that got in his area, snakes or anything alive. One night we were awoke to a terrible scream outside our room, I mean it sounded like a banshee, lasted for 60 seconds or so but no dog growl or noise. The next morning I went outside and there he was peeing on a huge male coon, dead of coarse. Another time he got a snapping turtle, brought it up on the back porch and somehow managed to crack open the shell and eat him. There was blood all over the deck, and he chipped his teeth in the process. He was a hell of a dog. When he was near you he would maintain body contact and scan the area for threats. Miss him.

Sorry to get off topic but we are working dog people right.

[Brasileirokid]

getting back on topic here... I used google translator to get this document in English...understand that the work fila means line, file or queue in portuguese..

This article was written by Roberto Sene owner of Canil Sena. If the portuguese version is wanted I could post that as well.

I want to take this space to apologize to everyone who supported me, especially Mr. Virgilio Martella Orsi and Ardelia where we waited for two years to get a meeting with Dr. Sergio de Castro, after a lunch hosted by Mr SPFB Roberto Rossi really helped us to score this meeting in Rio de Janeiro, where we take only one request after he discussed for a long time with all of SPFB advisers in the persons of Albert, Ronaldo, Alex Taylor and this one was asked to APR on a mandatory basis in Sao Paulo, our request was accepted by Dr. Sergio and he then asked us to be done throughout the Brazilian territory and at the same time created the CBRFB, took six months of hard work, travel and negotiations, spent money, time, and my people, we believe in a dream forever together we three, The Three Musketeers, I, Virgilio and Delhi, traveling together and all the places I've been they've been too, except this time of my trip in BH for exams in CBKC because I wanted to register to be more creative a referee to join those already existing, I have already Friday and Saturday morning began the tests, written on Sunday the Oral and the practice on Monday, we all went to the Headquarters of Minas Kennel where I spent much talking and laughing with the president of the Kennel mine Dino Son Miraglia and admit that would be several days talking to him, people like my friend thin Capistrano, about 10 hours of morning came Dr. George and his wife and secretary and addressed to a reserved area, after having completed all the tests, then we have received from Dr. Sergio certificates, all were gone and I just stayed where I was invited to lunch with all staff CBKC and examiners plus the president of the federation Sebastian Mining, over lunch and return to the hotel no longer saw Dr. Sergio back in the morning and bringing in the promise of the publication on a mandatory basis in all Brazilian territory and this fact was confirmed days later, Friends was very well received by CAFIB which thank God I was always treated well and I'm friends with everyone and never concealed my admiration just get on my site and see that I quote that in my opinion the largest queue is knower of the Lord Americo Cardoso, Chico Peltier, man you do not have to know how to thank you, you helped a lot, to stop your criticisms and praise you got published in some dogs forum (must have been difficult to you rsrsrsr) Chico forbid our dream may never happen in our time, maybe my grandchildren one day see this, remember that you asked Roberto WHAT you search? And I said a strong race and homogeneity and you told me my friend and my biggest dream to see again an exhibition with more than 180 dogs in typical track and I also said I have this dream. Marquinho (UNIFIL) have only words of thanks, I was a partner from the first years of UNIFIL and will continue until you guys do not take me there, because I knew the potential of these creators Miners and determination, honest guy you're young UNIFIL is in good hands thanks to the Doctor, Luiz Henrique, Alexander Harrison and Mr. Bacci Pine for making me dream that the time had come Fila Brasileiro, Friends have never denied that ever drew a black line in my yard, who knows me knows that I've never created a black line, perhaps This fact could have generated doubts if I would work to remove the black pattern, I can assure you all that while not like the color black as well as many do not like the reddish brown or brindle, never asked to Sergio de Castro removed the black in default on any of our meetings even as the Vice President SPFB where I have many breeders of this color and I'm afraid that Ardelia kill me! Rsrsrsrs, Dr. Sergio told us at the meeting in Rio de Janeiro before the commission coordinated by Dr. Victor Hugo had presented a proposal to have the color black but I like variety and change the wrong way to measure the queue length and reduce the height of the Queue, there may have generated much confusion because some people believed that this proposal would have left us, and that more easily proven, since the Internet came out and I am not mistaken in several emails from Uncle Fester and also in any publication, another fact that must have been collaborating on the occasion of our specialist here in St. Paul, through a dinner, where we talk about everything and do not remember who asked the question, but you can not stop the black and then I answered this question, just do not give pedigree for the puppies that are born black and black just because Black needs to be born black. I want to make this conversation very well understood, because some people do not know how to interpret the same text or are evil, I never, ever talked reaffirm that would change the pattern once more ever, even if I wanted I would have to put on board approval and a Once approved it would take to Dr. Sergio because the council does not have autonomy, who is the newest creation when white was merely very common birth queues with many white markings and the pups received no pedigree, hence the answer to the question. But in particular I talked with Mr. Medeiros Wanker, Sue Lamb and Alexander traveled with me in my car and said WHAT about Dr. Sergio had said about turning the black variety, and said, more if you comment to someone I say I did not say it was not to disrupt, because this proposal would never had left us and as the saying goes, whoever tells a tale adds one point feared that someone might distort this conversation. Never set out to unify the clubs, on the contrary each would have its independence, but all dogs were analyzed by standard CBKC and it was very well explained out, what was needed was unity among the creators.

Finally my thanks to Dr. Sergio de Castro, for giving me the opportunity to lead this advice (even as someone commented that I am nothing in show dogs that no one knows me, really the people who work trying to improve their dogs that are not politics, are less well known that some talkers, the most important thing is that I have provided a contribution to the race trying to bring people together using loyalty and honesty and it bothers a lot) and how well I'm using Brazilian football as an example is easier to change to dismiss the coach the players, then coach left.

I hope that someday people can be more unified and less vain and you think first in the Fila Brasileiro and less on win Best in show and other things, can succeed in the race as otherwise some time ago I wrote "ARE The Fila Brasileiro KILLING "I fear that this day will arrive faster than I expected.

Finally I want to make a warning to all, and Dr. Sergio, your enemies are not the dissidents as some would have you believe that your enemies are your false friends who stab in the back and put the blame Dr. Sergio de Castro and others, and still always thinking only of stalked them and revel in vanity.

[bigd1622]

Lol Ace, you need to make a thread just about coon hunting or any hunting that has dogs in it. Or like a hunting for dummies lol. I am trying to teach Tyson to hunt water chickens but he doesnt even look at them lol.

[aceoutdoor]

LOL Chief at his age he is probably happy chasing a butterfly if he's lucky. That interest comes later. The only real instinct you can see in fila when they are young is the cat "stalk". I have had pups as young as 7 weeks stalk a larger dog and then attack, playing of coarse. But as far as interest in going after other animals that is way down the road. How about a picture of a "water chicken"?

[Brasileirokid]

maybe he means rubber duckie, lol. just kidding big...I wanna see what a water chicken is too.